Расшифровка 5 и 6 серии Космического Раскрытия сентябрь 2018

RICE: I m coming forward now because there are thousands of others out there that have been through this, that have gone on the 20 and Back program. And I'm not just talking about Americans. We're talking globally. And some of the people that did not come back, their stories need to be told. Whether they were soldiers or scientists or just civilians, they provided and gave the ultimate sacrifice for humanity. And their stories need to be told. We need to have full disclosure. The people need to be aware of some of the things that humanity has done. It's time to heal and to grow from that.
J Y: So let's start with the beginning. You had a behavior problem. Because you were constantly being an escape artist
RICE: I was. I kept getting brought back by the police or strangers. I had my own dog tags if lost, please call on a chain. And so the last time that I was brought back by the same police officer, he told my parents that if they didn't keep me contained and keep control of where I was, that I was going to be taken into state custody.
J Y: And this caused your parents to freak out. Because they're afraid of the police and child protection services and all those people coming and invest gating them totally understandable
RICE: Understandable-- of course, they were terrified. And they found a behavioral program at one of the local universities and enrolled me in that.
J Y: What happened there?
RICE: They would give us a command. You know, say- hey, want you to stay in this chair. Don't get up. And of course, there are toys everywhere in the room, all kinds of interesting distractions. And so of course, I get up. And as soon as I got up, they picked me up, put me in a box, locked the box, and then would wait. And of course I'd scream and holler and yell and kick and thrash. And as soon as stopped, they would reach in, pull me out, set me on the same chair, and give me an "M&M".
J Y: So they were starting to form your personality at that point.
RICE: That's correct.
J Y: And they were using candy and toys to entice you into whatever they wanted you to change guess change your behavior. to control it. And that program turns out o e one o e recruiting arms for the Ml LAB program. And that's where was identified as an intuitive empath. JAY: When you say intuitive empath, what do you mean?
RICE: An intuitive empath is somebody that feels or knows something without having been told, without having experienced it before flit's an ability to* pick up on emotions. It's not mind reading. But it's being able to feel what others are feeling and being able to intuit why they're feeling that way or how something is supposed to work or how it's supposed to go together. People have termed or called it psychic, but it's not really the same thing.
J Y: You eventually had to go to school. R[CE: That's correct.
J Y: So you went to school, first grade or whatever Did anything happen to you when you went to school?
RICE: So after getting into school, what would happen is that somebody would either come in the morning or towards the middle of the day. And I'd get picked up to allow me to get out of school. And then, they would take me to an underground facility or just a regular building to do the training that they had us go through.
J Y: Was there a break between the university program and this new program, which was I guess Ml LAB, is what you're saying? That's correct.
J Y: Explain to our viewers what Ml LAB is.
RICE: The MILAB program is a military abduction program. Which is one of the agencies responsible for recruiting, draining, indoctrinating, and preparing children for special programs w thin the Secret Space Program and other classified projects. thought, at the time, I was just getting to go out on a special field trip.
J Y: And you're with other children?
RICE: Other children-- between three and five other kids at a time. That's what I remember. And they had us working on very simple puzzles. ^The caveat was that we weren't allowed to talk. But we had to work in teams of two, sometimes three, and work together to put this puzzle together. And what they were doing is they were training us with our intuitive empath abilities in teamwork. Progressed on up through smaller pieces, more pieces. And again, we couldn't talk. •^We had to nonverbally communicate and trust and work with our intuitive empath abilities up to the point where it was a sing e colored puzzle with thousands of pieces that were working together. They also included blindfolding to work together so that we could work our intuitive empath abilities and teamwork.
J Y: Would it be fair to say that they are looking for that quality in these kids?
RICE: That's absolutely right. They're looking for* that quality n people because it makes for better soldiers better operatives. You can walk into a room and pick up on a situation five or six different people all at one time and be able to read the scenario, read the environment. JAY: Did you notice a refining process with these kids and you where you could see that some were not going to make it and others were going to go forward or anything like that?
RICE: Yes-- there were people that just weren't picking up on it. They weren't progressing. And usually, those children didn't stay, didn't come back. Because they used medications on us for improving our intuitive empath abilities as we as to facilitate forgetting not remembering where we'd gone or what we'd done, and then implanting us with false screen memories.
J Y: Why would they do that?
RICE: They didn't want to have the public aware of what they were doing. I mean, they were taking kids out of school to do whatever they needed them to do. If the world had found out that they were taking kids out of school to go work on training and that they were injecting them with either experimental or non-market medications, people would be up in arms. JAY: Was there any kind of trauma associated with this?  RICE:Yes JAY: Well tell me about that.
RICE: Yeah, so some of the training involved finding out our individual fears and then flooding us with those fears. For instance, if one was afraid of drowning. Because that, they would use virtual reality, augmented reality. And again, this is in the late 70s long before any of it was ever out on the market. And so as a child, it was like wow this is an amazing toy. This is a great adventure. Except for the fact that they were trauma training, is what they were doing. So they find out all of my fears everything that I was afraid of-- whether it was a little a lot of... and then put me into a virtual reality where I couldn't tell the difference between what was real and what was he virtual . y\And then, I'd go through and have to experience-- whether it was death by fire or getting shot or bludgeoned or drowning or any number of horrible ways to die. They'd flood you with it to desensitize you to it. And these are children.
J Y: When you got home after these experiences, did your parents notice that you were messed up?
RICE. Well, they would go through and mind wipe and give you a screen memory. So instead of getting burned up in a fire all day five or six times, I would remember being at an aquarium in my conscious mind But the nightmares were still there. I'd still have nightmares. I'd still have periods where I wouldn't eat or periods that I was moody. So of course, my parents had nothing to base it on. So to them, 1 was just a kid growing up. During the night, they would take us out of our homes. They would take us to closed-down malls for the evening. And then, we would either do small combat arms, immediate action drills, capture the flag type thing where we would have small pistols. And we wore a suit that, if it was contacted by the infrared beam, it would freeze the limb if it was a grazing shot If it was a shot right to a fatal area, then the entire suit would freeze up. And they'd have to reset the program because that was a simulated kill. They would put us against each other. And we found out quickly who had more strength in their ability for tactics And so what happened is, it turned into not every man for himself. But it turned into teaming up with other people and then ganging up on one person.
J Y: So kind of creating a self organization. So you guys are organizing yourselves in a symbiotic way instead of having it be top-down?
RICE: That's correct.
J Y: That's very serious training.
RICE: Very traumatic, it's very traumatic.
J Y: How long do this period of your training last?
RICE: It went on for about eight years until I was 13.
J Y: All right so now you are 3. You've got this training. They wouldn't be doing it for no reason. It costs a lot of money. They're investing a lot in you. What happened at this point?
RICE: That was the year that they took me out of training and put me into active service.
J Y: What happened? How did this-- did they tell you they were going to take you into the Secret Space Program, or what do they do?
RICE: Well, this particular day, I was going to meet them down the street from school. Now, according to the rest of the school , I was just skipping. But I was down the street. met them just like any of the many other times. Got in the back of the car. They didn't tell me that I was going to be disappearing, that was going to be going into active duty.
J Y: They did not tell you
RICE: Did not they just took me.
J Y: That was a surprise.
RICE: Surprise-- guess what. I hope you said goodbye to everybody this morning. I don it have all the memories from my first 20 and Back. They haven't returned yet. 20 and Back program is based on the use of advanced technology here you provide service for 20 years. And at the end of that service, you are medically and quantum age regression back to the time point where you originally entered into service. And then, they take you back in time to the point in time that you originally went into service. But you still lived out and had those 20 years of service that you provided in whatever program. And there's a number of secret space programs that utilize this technology.
J Y: And did they take care of you when you came back?
RICE: When I got back, part of the going away present package that they left included programming for me to want to go into the military service. And seemingly overnight, developed an interest in the military. [ wanted to go to college, wanted to get an education. was a driven individual at that point
J Y: Did you go to high school, I assume?
RICE: I went to high school and maintained 3.9 GPA all through high school. And I was awarded a medical scholarship for the Air Force ROTC. And I was awarded an engineering scholarship for the US Army. And I chose the engineering JAY: And did you finish your four years?
RICE: I finished my four years.
J Y: And then, you went into the military.
RICE: The military 20 and Back that I went on as right at the start of my US Army career. The second 20 and Back, I have a lot more of those memories. I was commissioned the same day I graduated from college which was in December of 1996. And two months later, was given a change to my orders. Which my original orders were to report in to Fort Leonard Wood to attend the officer basic course. And the day before was supposed to leave, got new orders assigning me to the Army Research Office up in North Carolina. I had no idea why or what, no explanation for it.
J Y: So two months after you started your active duty, they grabbed you again.
RICE: Again.
J Y: Why are all these people now coming forth with memories, but it seems like it takes 15, 20 years for the memories to surface? Why do you think that is?
RICE: Well, for some reason or another, the memories are a ways there. For me, one of them was at the age of 33 which happens to be 20 years after my 20 and Back. went in for outpatient surgery. And coming out of it, I was still under a lot of the anesthesia. And I don't recall this. But the nursing staff told me was talking about being in space and being a part of a program and going out and doing things. And of course, when they were telling me this, I'm like-- wow, I don't remember saying any of that. And at the time, it was just one of those OK, that was just the anesthesia talking. Since then, I've realized that OK, that was another sign.
J Y. Should people who are running these programs be worried about people now having the first wave of memories coming back?
RICE: I think the people  that are running these programs part of the technology that they use for the mind wipe, they know that there's 1 /o to 3% that the mind wipe will not work on. And they have returning memories a lot faster than mine were. It worked on me. Anybody that was a part of the Secret Space Program were tampered with every one of us. JAY. Well, I just Want you to know that I'm really happy that you've decided to come forth and tell your story. And we're going to be telling your story in great detail as we proceed here in later shows. But let me ask you. Are you afraid that someone is going to stop you from speaking out?
RICE: I have concerns for the safety of those that I love and care about. But having been through and remembered the things that I've gone through, feel more compelled to bring this into the light.

J Y: Yeah, it's great to have you, because your story is absolutely fascinating. You went to university at the auspices of the Army.
RICE: I went to Florida Institute of Technology under a four-year engineering scholarship. And I was awarded a medical scholarship for the Air Force ROTC. And I was awarded an engineering scholarship for the US Army. And I chose the engineering. And then I was commissioned the same day I graduated with a Bachelor of Science in civil engineering. And in fact, at the end of my education, I had applied to go on and get a master's degree. And they said, nope. You're graduating in December, and you are starting your commission and active duty immediately.
J Y: So two months after you started your active duty, fully expecting just a change in orders, and everything was going to be copacetic And then what happened?
RICE: Well, I show up at this facility and meet my nevi^ company commander. We got into the first elevator, and there were two buttons-- up, down. That was it. He placed his hand on a scanner on the wall, and then we started our trip down. It was about a five-minute elevator ride. And towards the bottom, I recall that there was a very peculiar feeling of vertigo, where the world seemed to turn sideways for just an instant, and then it was gone.
J Y: And were there cameras in this elevator?
RICE: I'm sure there were. I never saw them. As they later to d me that from the moment I stepped foot in the facility that I was being watched. And a I of my actions and choices and decisions were being recorded and used for part of my training So we get to the end of the bottom of that first elevator ride. He had his hand on his sidearm It was a Beretta. And was very, very intently watching what I was doing. Of course, I didn't know about the
J Y: Oh, he was afraid you might go psychotic?
RICE: He was worried that if I went psychotic I would try and attack him. And I later found out that he had had to use his sidearm on another trainee earlier that day. So we get to the end of the elevator ride down, and it opens up onto a red-lit platform that's about 12 feet high, 10 feet wide. And 10 feet in front of the elevators is a track, and there's a capsule transportation train, if you will. And it's shaped like a pill. t has a Lamborghini-style door that's opened. It was white. The capsule that we were getting into as barely shorter than the landing. So we get into the capsule, and sit down on the right side. And he comes and sits down in front of me. And our knees are only a few inches apart. And the door closes. And I couldn't tell which direction we were moving in. And then I sat quietly, and I got the feeling that we were moving in a direction towards my back. So was facing rear. And so that trip, t lasted about 30 minutes. We passed through a portal, and we're no longer on Earth.
J Y: The train passed through a portal ?
RICE: The train passed through a portal and took us to another location. I was able to recognize that because the background Schumann resonance was different. It wasn't the same as here. And so I was able to pick that up. And that actually came out during hypnosis
J Y. OK, hang on here. First off, what's a Schumann resonance?
RICE: OK. The Schumann resonance is a background frequency that is present on Earth.
J Y: So you felt a shift in that background frequency when you went through the portal?
RICE:I felt it, yes. After I went through the portal.
J Y: What was it like going through the portal ? Was there any physical feelings? Mental feelings?
RICE: I was so focused on that vertigo, the world going sideways in the elevator, that I was still overwhelmed with, OK, that's going on.
J Y: The newness.
RICE: The newness. This is all different. I've never seen any of these things before. And I didn't notice a difference at that time. It was a minor difference. It couldn't have been that much, going from the background frequency here to wherever it was that we went to. It couldn't have been a shift of that much. And they supplemented it with an artificial background frequency as well. Which-- subtly different, but different nonetheless. JAY: Describe what a portal is.
RICE: Portal technology is used for travel, and it can take a shape of as large as they need it to get a vehicle or a person. And it's to instantaneously move from one place to another It could be within a solar system, or it could be somewhere else in the galaxy. So for all I know, I could have been 1,500 light years away. Or it could have been a mined-out asteroid that's within our own solar system. I suspect it was Mars.
J Y: What happened then?
RICE: Well, a 30-minute capsule ride. We pull up into what turned out to be the next landing, our stopping point. couldn't feel the train stopping, the capsule stopping So the only indication I had that we had arrived as the door started opening, and it scared the shit out of me because I thought ^we were still moving. And I expected to see it get ripped off any moment. And the captain that was with me knew it. And so he knew that we were going to be stopping, and he was watching to see what my reaction was. And so he saw me freak out for a moment, because thought we were about to witness the capsule coming apart And he smirked. And I knew right then that, OK, this is another one of those new guy tricks. All right, I get it. And so we get out. And we're n this new landing that was about 100 feet long, about 30 feet high. It was all white lit. It was no longer red lighting. And so there were a bank of three elevator doors two standard-sized elevator doors and then the largest set of elevator doors I've ever seen in my life. These things were big enough to drive a semi truck into.
J Y: Really?
RICE: They were enormous. So we would walk up to one of the man-sized elevator doors, and he hits the button. The doors open. And I look from him into the elevator. And no more than four feet in front of me is an alien staring at me.
J Y: Really? In the elevator?
RICE: In the elevator. About four feet tall Large, dark eyes. Small mouth. Small nose.
J Y: And how did you react?
RICE: I turned and looked at the captain, who was on my right. And then pointed at the elevator. ,And I said, there s something in the elevator. And he said, what is it? And looked back at the elevator, and it was gone. And I wasn't about to tell him what I'd seen, because at this point I was still clueless on what was going on.
J Y: Were you scared?
RICE: I was surprised. Thinking back on it it wasn't a fear so much as, that's he doing here not what in the world is that. So the captain didn't give any indication that there was anything strange. And so I-- following his lead and not about to tell him, my first commanding officer, that I had just seen an alien in the elevator, I chalked it up to another one of those new guy tricks. JAY: So, Jason, one of the things that we did besides giving you a polygraph is we had Georgina Cannon, who is noted hypnotherapist, come and hypnotize you for almost three hours, actually. I guess that was the point, actually, of doing these sessions, was that we are hoping that it would release more memories and kind of create a cog nit on for you after the sessions. And that happened, right?
RICE: Mhm, it has happened. It has been helpful . OK, so let's listen to a section of that regression section. GEORGINA CANNON: And tell me what happened.
RICE: Well, we got in the elevator and rode up. And when we came to a stop, we were inside a giant Colosseum. CANNON: So tell me about the briefing that you all had.
RICE: They took us all in into the auditorium. Colonel Schuller came up first. And he talked to us, thanking us. He thanked us for volunteering. if we'd only known. CANNON: So what did Colonel Schuller do? He thanked you for volunteering, and then what?
RICE: More bullshit. Like we had a choice. They told us we were the tip of the spear, and we'd have the best equipment, and that we were going to help other planets. Other people.
J Y: So you got hypnotized. What was that like?
RICE: Well it was lit was very helpful in that there are things that came out during the hypnosis that I hadn't recalled yet. And so there are a number of points and pieces of the puzzle that I'm very very thankful for. During the hypnosis, I recall having images of doors opening and closing. And since then, I have had more memories return. I do know that, again, part of the going away presents that were left with me included shutting off memories and shutting off things, as well as routines, if you will, that continually work on removing memory from the events. So there were things that came out during the hypnosis hat I 've been able to recall some of But after the hypnosis, I couldn't remember some of the specific details, again, because of the memory routines that they left me with to wipe those out. So that's a continuous battle that I have to fight regularly, on the remembering side of things.
J Y: OK I want to get into this in more detail. What do you mean by memory routines? What does that mean? Are you talking about screen memories?
RICE: Well, I'm talking about the routines that they have think of it as like the mental eraser that they have that's running in the background that is continually trying to remove the memories from the conscious mind. So that, again, you don't talk about things that you're not supposed to. JAY: So it's a most like a loop that they put you through. So when you think a certain thought, this loop comes n and causes t to just kind of become a maddening thing inside your head. And then you don't want to think about it anymore.
RICE: Yeah, well, it's almost like putting a frosted glass n front of a window, is that you wipe away the moisture and you can see for a moment. And then the condensation comes back. And you have to work at continuing to wipe the window off to remember  JAY: That's a great analogy, actually. So you'd recommend other people that have been in the Secret Space Program to actually go and do this also?
RICE: I would. I would highly recommend it. When I first started waking up, my first response as gosh, I'd like to have all these memories back at one time. When I had certain memories come back I realized the folly in that. And that, for my own sanity, my higher self has decided what and when and the timing of it. And so trust n that, as well as getting help with those, either through hypnotic regression or through therapy There's a number of ways that you can help yourself to recall those memories.
J Y: All right, so this train has taken you into this room. You see this alien in the elevator. The captain doesn't act like he sees it. Alien disappears. What happens then?
RICE: We enter in the elevator. The captain accompanies me and gives me a very knowing look. And he hit the up button. Doors close, and we rode the elevator up It wasn't a very long ride. I suspect it was probably four or five floors up, is where we went to. This time, when the elevator doors opened, it was still a natural rock format on, except it was the size of an NFL stadium.
J Y: This area is this in a cave?
RICE: Yeah, it was all in a natural rock cave. All of the stops once e had gone underground ere in natural cave structures. This was no exception When we entered that last elevator and went up to the training grounds, it opened up into the largest underground cave structure I'd ever seen in my life I had never seen any pictures that are equal to it.
J Y: How was it lit?
RICE: That was one of the really interesting parts of it, is that the walls and ceiling, they all seemed to be lit well lit. Bright as daylight But could not find any origin of the lights. t was a most as if the walls themselves were lit in a way that you couldn't localize where the lights were conning from. But there was no disputing that the whole area was lit.
J Y: Was really end of a color or hue to the lighting?
RICE: it looked very daylight. Very much like daylight.
J Y: And what was going on in this gigantic cavern?
RICE: Well, it was empty at the time I was gawking like coming to the city for the first time. And, of course the captain started walking as soon as the doors opened. And could see across that it was a track with the vibration absorptive material on it. They had...
J Y: They what?
RICE: Vibration absorptive material. It's like foam, rubbery, around the track. You usually find it on indoor tracks. The inner field on the track itself was clearly Astroturf. It looked like grass. The outer areas had some training seats, tables, chairs. Something that anybody n the military recognized as a class area. They had what looked to be a volleyball sandpit. Except it didn't have any posts or nets. They had a shooting range on one side. Elevated above the ground were these networks in series of catwalks. Some of them had rails. Some of them were missing rails. There were ropes hanging down from the ceiling with a single carabiner on the end, which are the little latch devices that's commonly used in mountain climbing and rock climbing.
J Y: So this is a training facility.
RICE: It’s exactly what it was.
J Y: And for soldiers.
RICE: For soldiers. Except, for the life of me, I couldn't figure out why they needed a trapeze-type training facility for soldiers. Later I found out why.
J Y: Why?
RICE: Well, it has to do with the hang glider part of the training involves using a neutrally operated gravity pack. Utilizing the gravy packs so that we could create thrust so that we could gain altitude, lose altitude. That ended up being the training grounds for where we were learned about small unit tactics, avoiding each other, not hitting each other, firing from it.
J Y: So you were using hang glider devices to fly around?
RICE: Yes. Well, the packs were battery powered Which meant that they had a very limited duration If you burned a full burn without stopping, they would on y last for probably 30, 45 minutes. They didn't have much of a long life And so what you did was you used them in concert with the glider. And so you weren't hovering, but you were flying. JAY. Sometimes you're using the electric, sometimes you're not.
RICE: Sometimes you're using the electric, and sometimes you're not. We generally used them to gain altitude firing our weapons. So you had to learn how to use it mentally first. Help turn left, help turn right, up, down
J Y: All being neurologically driven. Through a helmet or something?
RICE: Yep, through our combat helmets. So, using the weapons that we used, e had to counter it with the gravy packs. The hang gliders were not the ideal platform to be staging an attack.
J Y: I was going to say, yeah.
RICE: They were more intended for dropping in relocating, or for getting in using stealth methods, because it's ultra quiet
J Y: Interesting. So then, you are in this big, huge facility Clearly you know that you're going to be part of something here. Then what happened they haven't told you yet that you're even in the Secret Space Program. This guy hasn't even talked to you at a I, the Captain?
RICE: Nope, hasn't said anything to hold all questions. Yep.
J Y: So what happened next?
RICE: There was, at the time, what I thought was a very strange-looking container shipping container with odd-looking doors. There was also a movie screen-sized surface that had blackened, charred marks and partially burned areas on it. And all of those were on the mobile cable system so that they could relocate them any place in the stadium area The flat screen didn't mean anything to me yet, but that was one of the targets we used with our plasma rifles. It was a specially treated surface so that we could live fire our plasma rifles without starting a massive conflagration.
J Y: What's a plasma rifle?
RICE: It shoots out a ball of hot plasma as hot as the sun, that will travel at unbelievable rates of fire, and does incredible damage. At that time, it didn't know what any of that stuff as used for. I'm just walking through and amazed that it's even there. It smelled like moldy, misty, musty campfire.
J Y: The whole cavern?
RICE: The whole area, yeah.
J Y: Very musty? Is there water dripping?
RICE: No, no water dripping They sealed off the interior surface of all the walls. So there was no water Any water that came in would have been a leak, and they would have found it quickly.
J Y: Outside of the door you came in, were there any other doors?
RICE: There were doors in other areas of the training colosseum. But the ones that we headed directly for were directly across from where the elevators opened up.
J Y: Did you ever discover what this weird container thing is?
RICE: I sure did.
J Y: What is it?
RICE: It is for simulating the exit from one of the shuttles. So they were able to move it around at elevation so that you could basically jump out from it. Again, because you're dealing with people that have not done this before hat are learning how to use the neural interface, as well as flying, as well as shooting, as well as aiming and trying to hit what you're trying to hit. There were a number of close calls where people were almost hit, or there were a couple of rounds put through gliders. Again, you're trying to coordinate all of these things at one time. So that was very...
J Y: Is it safe to say this is the beginning of your training?
RICE: This was the beginning of my training.
J Y: Did anybody die in this training?
RICE: Yes. There were deaths.
J Y: Sounds very dangerous. So what happened after you saw the cavern? Where did you go next?
RICE: We went through a door on the other side, which entered into a hallway. Traveled to the end of that hallway and entered into another hallway. And at the end of that door was a stairwell And the captain started going downstairs. And I snuck a peek to look up through the center of the stairwell to see, OK, how high does this thing go? And I couldn't see the top. So it had to have gone at least o the top of the training stadium.
J Y: Right.
RICE: And so, when we came into the next hallway, he made an immediate right turn into the first door. And turns out that that was the conference room that we would be spending the next couple of hours going over paperwork, paperwork, signing for this equipment, signing for that equipment. Still no briefing. So walked n, and he told me to have a seat. And sat down next to him. And in front of me were a stack of papers in a folder. Inside this room was a black stripe around the top. 12 inches. It was only about 3/4 of an inch wide but about 12 inches from the ceiling. And it went all the way around the entire room. At one end of the room was a large flat screen TV. It looked to be about 60  inches.
J Y: So what's this black stripe doing?
RICE: The black stripe around the upper portion of the room turned out to be full monitoring equipment, which included bio signs, video, audio, anything and everything that they needed to determine infrared. Who's in the room whether they're sweating a lot or they're coo , they're calm, they're collected. So I didn't realize it at the time. It just looked like a black stripe.
J Y: So you signed all these documents.
RICE: Signed all the documents. Spent two hours signing.
J Y: Is anybody telling you? You're getting debriefed on any of this?
RICE: He said He said, we've got a lot of work to do in a short amount of time. You'll get a full briefing day after tomorrow, after everybody is here. You'll get it the same time everybody else does. And the thing is is that they plan it that way to keep you guessing so you don it know what's going on so that they can gauge and judge and evaluate your reactions to unknown, stressful situations Sitting in front of the captain as we I was a blank slating device. That was the first time I'd ever seen one, that I could recall.
J Y: What does that look like?
RICE: The one that I'd seen resembled a jeweler's hammer, which is a small hammer. Except instead of having a hammer head, It had a small conical and crystal fixture on the end. And a plain black handle, no markings A single button on it So I didn't know what it was about, and I had no idea. Found out if I had declined the offer, that that was what my fate was going to be, to be mind wiped and blank slated, and sent back to Fort Wood.
J Y: You know, a lot of people are going to be watching this. And they're going to think that you're crazy. Or they're going to think you're a liar. And you don't come off crazy, I have to tell you. But the lying part, we can't tell. So what we had you do was take a polygraph test from a polygraph examiner. And we want to show you the results of that right now. BRAN HOFF: Jason, go ahead and relax. BRAN HOFF: Jason, go ahead and relax. Remain still. The test will be n in a moment. The test is beginning. Are you now in the state of Colorado?
RICE. Yes.
HOFF: Regarding your extraterrestrial experiences, do you intend to answer my questions truthfully today?
RICE. Yes.
HOFF: Have you ever said anything in anger that you later regretted?
RICE: No.
HOFF: Were you ever a member of a Secret Space Program?
RICE- Yes.
HOFF: Did you ever engage in military service on the planet Mars?
RICE: Yes
HOFF: Have you ever told a lie to keep yourself out of trouble?
RICE: No.
HOFF: Were you ever a member of a Secret Space Program?
RICE. Yes.
HOFF: Did you ever engage in military service on the planet Mars?
RICE: Yes.
HOFF: Have you ever told a lie to keep yourself out of trouble?
RICE: No. entire life, have you ever broken even one law?
RICE: No.
HOFF- Have you ever killed an extraterrestrial being?
RICE. Yes.
HOFF: Have you ever been captured by an extraterrestrial being?
RICE: Yes. During entire life, have you ever violated any rules or regulations?
RICE: No.
HOFF: Have you ever been captured by an extraterrestrial being?
RICE: Yes. During entire life have you ever violated any rules or regulations?
RICE: No.
HOFF: OK, the test is ending. Please remain still. What you're looking on the test is changes in breathing patterns or upper body movements and activity. Down here a little bit more, you're looking for GSR changes, or Galvanic Skin Responses. Essentially, it's opening and closing of sweat glands in our fingertips. Just below that, what I'm looking for is changes n blood pressure, heart rate, et cetera Below that on the screen, what 'm looking at is PPG readings, which is Photoplethysmograph readings. Essentially, what that is is the opening and closing or the constriction of blood vessels in your fingertips. Some of the other readings have on there are whether or not he moved or was trying to cheat the test in any way, and he wasn't. So what I'm looking at on the screen right now is that, for the directed lies that I asked him to tell, which were, you know, have you ever broken any laws, stuff like that, he does have a physiological response that comes from that that is indicative of somebody normally lying to us and that physiological result that I've come to expect. When we see the other questions where he answers yes to being part of a Secret Space Program, or being on the planet Mars, there's not that typical physiological arousal that we would expect to see when somebody knows that they're lying. Again, any time that there is an extraordinary story that is so far out of what s normal and out of what I know as a human being and from my experience, of course there's some doubt that creeps into my mind. Having said that, Jason seems like a very credible source. He's well spoken. He came in here He seems to know exactly what he feels happens when it happened All the polygraph can really tell us is whether or not somebody believes what they're saying is true. Physiological indicators indicate that he does not have an arousal of any sort of biological indicators that tell me that he disbelieves his story even in the slightest. So in that case, what I'm saying is that, ultimately, Jason believes what he's telling us to be true.
J Y: So the guy conducting the polygraph kept asking you the same questions over and over and over. 'm sure it was driving you crazy. But I think they were doing that because they were trying to elicit different emotional responses from you to see and guarantee that you were being credible, I think. Don't you?
RICE: Yes. yes. The direct lie stimulation test, from what it was explained to me was that they try and create a baseline for lying, as we I as for telling the truth.
J Y So the question about have you ever broken a rule, that was a preconceived e that was
RICE: That's correct.
J Y: --so that every time you lied you would see your response. So that could be matched against the other responses, where you were telling the truth.
RICE: That's correct.
J Y: Interesting So how did you feel being asked these questions over and over and over?
RICE: It was anxiety provoking because when I start talking about my experiences, it would induce anxiety or other physiological effects to try and distract me from talking about t. And that's part of the program that they use for people that are getting out, is they don't want you to talk about it. So they put programs into your psyche so that you either have an anxiety attack, or you start sweating, or the room gets too small no matter how big it is. You can't focus. You can't stay attentive to what you're trying to talk about. When I first started waking up and remembering the things that I had done, it was really difficult because of those programs, those presents that they left with me.
J Y: Well, clearly, you are not lying At least you believe what you're saying.
RICE: I've known that what I'm saying is true. Even as shortly as a few years ago, if you'd asked me that whether or not I believed I was a part of some Secret Space Program conspiracy, I would have said, no, sounds interesting, but that's not me. However, participating in it, having the memory recall that I have of the experiences and the events that I have, those things that have happened to me, the experiences that I've remembered, have proven to me without any doubt at all