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Noory: I'm George Noory. And welcome to Beyond Belief.
He's written a number of books including Alien Agenda.
What does that mean, Jimmy?
Jim Marrs: Well, it actually should be
in the form of a question.
What is the alien agenda?
And, of course, to start with that then you have to start,
well, are there even aliens?
And in the first sentence of my book it says the controversy
over existence of UFOs is over.
AI right? When I was a young man they said, oh well,
there's no such thing, and it's just hallucinations.
Noory: Figment of our imaginations.
Marrs: Figments, some kind of mass psychosis.
And as a newsman always thought, wow,
a heretofore undiagnosed contagious mass psychosis.
There's a story.
But you don't ever hear anything about that
because with the advent of the camcorder and now
with these cell phones that can take photographs you go up
and Google UFOs and you can spend the rest
of your life probably looking at UFO pictures.
So there's no question there's something there, okay?
And a lot of people are still trying to cling to the idea,
well, it's just secret government test craft
that the public are not being to d about.
But I would submit if you actually study it you'll find
that there are we I documented cases of things flying around,
landing, even meeting with occupants dating back
into the 1800s, the 1700s,
and actually all the way back to the Bible
Ezekiel and his [inaudible] wheel that took him up
and took him to a city somewhere.
Hello? So UFOs are real, so it's now time
to ask what is the alien agenda.
Noory: And as we get into the agenda how have you
as an investigative reporter how did you get interested
in this particular subject?
Marrs: I guess I've always been interested in it.
know I can trace this interest back to at least 1957
because I have a water color did at that time that
as a teenager, and it was based on a report out of Loveland,
Texas where a UFO had landed
Noory: It's a great case
Marrs: -- on the highway, yeah, and the cars
and trucks all stopped.
And they sent a highway patrolman out to find
out what was going on and his car stopped.
remember seeing some black
and white photos of that, right?
Marrs. May have
Noory: Out of a truck window or something.
Marrs: Yeah, it was a famous case at the time,
and it certainly peaked my interest.
And then also by the ear y 60s I was the editorial page editor
for my campus newspaper at the University of North Texas.
And somebody recently sent me a dipping
that I had forgotten about.
So in the early 60s I was writing an editorial saying we
need to take UFOs seriously.
There's something there.
The reason I got to write Alien Agenda was
that after the success
of my Kennedy assassination book Crossfire,
I would ask people all
around the country including publishers all the way
to cab drivers what do you think is the next big secret
And a most unanimous y people would say I want
to know what's really the deal about UFOs.
And I said I will, too.
So I just dug into it
and produced Alien Agenda which is an overview.
And I have been told now that it is the top selling nonfiction
book on UFOs in the world.
Noory: It's like a Bible.
Marrs: In the world, in the world.
Noory: Good for you.
Back in 1897 you coming
from Texas there was an Aurora, Texas case.
Tell us about that.
Marrs: That's true.
Marrs: That's interesting.
One of the most -- well,
I call it the smoking gun of the UFO issue.
And it happened just about eight miles from where I now live
in a little hamlet cal ed Aurora, Texas.
Noory: You're being drawn to this area.
Marrs: Oh, maybe, maybe so.
The story is that on April the 17th, 1897,
cigar shaped object was flying through the sky
and started sputtering acting like it was in trouble, lowered,
and then struck a tower and exploded
and scattered debris all over the place.
This was faithfully recorded in the Dallas newspapers,
the Fort Worth newspapers.
And it said the pilot whose remains were badly disfigured
but enough was recovered to show
that he was not an inhabitant of this world.
Noory: In the paper it said that.
Marrs: n the paper is said that, yeah.
Now the debunkers have tried to say, oh,
that never happened, that was a hoax.
It was just a big hoax to draw attention to the town.
That's a reasonable explanation, but it doesn't hold water
because I happen to have the entire front page
of the Da las Morning News which is still in publication,
and there's 16 stories.
Noory: All about this case.
Marrs And all of it is
about the object flying through the skies.
Now, this is six years before the Wright brothers even flew
There was nothing manmade in the air.
And I think that's a tremendous case.
So that shows that there's something going on.
Marrs: What did they do with the body?
Noory: The body was buried in the cemetery,
and it said it was given Christian burial.
But today, a though ground penetrating radar has shown
that there is a grave there, okay
they don't see any signs of the body.
And the speculation is that somebody came a long
and exhumed the body years and years ago.
And if submit it was probably the government.
Noory: And they've got it.
Marrs: Because I've talked to people who grew up in that area
and around the area, and they said as far back as the 50s
that they had encountered federal agents
and government people in that cemetery.
Noory: 1947 Roswell occurred.
Let's take a look.
A press release by the Roswell Army Field announces...
a flying disc has crushed in the New Mexico desert.
Later that day the USAF says it was a weather balloon.
Roswell intelligence officer Major Jesse Marcel says the military covered up
the discovery of an alien spacecraft
He says the weather balloon debris photographed for newspapers...
was not the same debris found at the craft site.
Roswell mortician Glenn Dennis says he witnessed an autopsy...
... on alien bodies found in the crash.
The USAF investigates the Roswell Incident.
Its reports conclude that the crash debris was not a weather balloon...
... but from a research balloon from the project Mogul.
What the neck happened in 1947, Jim?
We see all these conflicting stories.
Marrs: Exactly, which is part of the coverup.
You can't coverup the evidence so you obfuscate it.
You throw out so many red herrings and so much trash.
Noory: And they keep changing it.
The government's changed their story four times now.
First they said it was a flying saucer.
Then they said it was a weather balloon.
Then they said, no, no no, it was a secret mogul test balloon.
Then they said, no, no, no, it was just crash dummies.
Okay. Roswell falls into a simple question of belief.
If you trust the government and believe their evidence
and their pronouncements then nothing
Noory: It is what it iis then.
Marrs: -- very unearthly happened there.
It was a test balloon, it was a weather balloon,
whatever, crash dummies.
But on the other hand if you trust the 600 plus people
who are now in the public record saying I was there,
there were bodies, alien bodies.
I guarded the hanger, I flew the aircraft,
I flew them to Wright-Patterson Air Force,
I flew them to Carswell’ I was at Carswell; I saw the body.
And I've talked to some of these people.
You know how it is in journalism you go out to get one story
and you stumble across something else, right?
Noory: Absolutely, that you didn't even expect.
So in my career several times I've run across people who said
because I was working in Forth Worth, that's the home
of Carswell Air Force Base, at the time it was the head
of the strategic air command, and I'd run across people
and they go, yeah, I was there in 47, and they'd look around
and they'd say, yeah, it really happened.
Noory: And they're not joking.
Marrs: They're not joking,
and they've got no reason to lie about it.
So think obviously I think something very,
very unusual happened at Roswell.
But if we're waiting for the day when the government goes okay,
okay, here's the truth, we I no, you can forget
that because again we're back to government secrecy.
Noory: Most of the great witnesses
from Roswell are slowly dying off
We just lost another one with Jesse Marcel,
Jr. It's a very sad story.
Marrs: Right, and he was such a fine gentleman.
Noory: He was a great gentleman.
on several occasions.
And he worked for the VA, he'd gone to Afghanistan,
he worked with the vets.
Noory: And Iraq.
Marrs: Yeah, he was a great guy
Noory: Something happened at Roswell.
If you believe the testimony of some of these witnesses
that you've just mentioned it was a dramatic story.
A dramatic story.
But I always ask the question if they were good enough
to get here technologically how
in the heck could they crash all of a sudden?
Marrs: Well, I'll give you two theories.
These are theories to keep in mind.
One is that perhaps where they came from they did not have
to worry about intense radar electromagnetic energy
or lightening, atmospheric energy bolts.
Noory: Right, radar.
Marrs: Which it was storming at that time 20.47
Plus they were testing out some of our new high powered radar.
And since we now know that UFOs operate off of energy fields
Marrs: -- electromagnetic negating gravity, time,
then either lightening
or the new powerful radar could have interfered
with their guidance systems, could have caused the crash.
A second theory is pretty intriguing
which is maybe it was a planned crash.
Noory: They wanted us to have this.
This was a couple years after we had set off the first atomic
bomb which by its very name tells you
that it disturbs the atoms.
So their perturbations were felt all the way
through the universe.
And somewhere out there somebody said, oh my God
the kids found the matches.
Noory: Yeah, and they don't know what to do with them.
Marrs: And all of a sudden they're coming here
to find out what's going on
And they realize that these people they've got now atomic
energy, but they're way behind on their social progress.
Noory: Yeah, they're using it to ki I each other.
Maybe we need to boost them
up the evolutionary ladder a little bit so they allowed
but according to universal regulations, thought,
it's not proper to overtly interfere
in the evolution of a species.
Noory: One of the rules.
Marrs: That upsets Gods pan, okay?
But, hey, f you happen to have an accident and one
of our ships crash and they happen to recover some
of that technology and it helps them boost a long
in their evolutionary climb then maybe we can get away with that.
And sure enough since the late 40s,
early 50s there has been a literal explosion of technology.
Just think about the past ten years.
Ten years ago you had a cell phone but it wasn't anything
like the one you've got now.
Noory: Oh, it's huge, what a difference.
Marrs: Fiberoptics and night vision and all of this stuff.
And there are people involved such as Colonel Corso,
Dr. Edgar Mitchell who is the sixth man to walk on the moon
and very credible people who say we have gotten this technology
from alien technology.
Ironically Edgar Mitchell iis from Roswell,
born and raised there.
Marrs: Right, yeah.
Noory: This agenda,
this agenda of withholding information
from us why do you think government wants to do that?
What do they lose?
Marrs: Well, I don't think it's government.
who run the government.
And I'm not talking about the President or the Pro Tern
or Senate or anything else.
I'm talking about the monied elite that pretty much buy
Noory: The puppet masters.
Marrs: The puppet masters
Now, they don't really care if we know there's aliens
from other worlds out there, you know.
What they care about is is that if we know for certain
that there's people from other places and they're able
to come here then we'll know for certain
that there's alternative technology.
Noory: New energy sources.
Marrs: New energy sources.
Noory: Cheaper, free.
Marrs: Why should we be paying ever increasing prices
for petroleum when we could be riding along
on hydrogen or energy.
Noory: Or whatever.
Marrs: Or whatever.
And the thing is, see, we're told, oh, well that sounds good
but that's not possible and that's not here.
If UFOs became an accepted phenomena then we'd know that's
not right, it is here.
Why aren't we using it?
And it would upset their monopolies.
Noory: That's a good point.
Let's take a phone call for you Jim Marrs.
My name is Allie [phonetic].
And I was wondering how old you were
when you first realized you believed
in extraterrestrial life
Noory: Ah, we're getting into your age, Mr. Marrs.
Marrs: Oh, boy.
I hate to show my age
The other day mentioned to somebody, I was at someplace,
and they opened up a bottle and had the bottle cap,
and they said do you want the bottle cap?
I don't know why.
I said, no, not really, not unless I wanted
to play tiddley winks.
Marrs: And the wait person said what's tiddley winks.
Noory: I know.
Let's say that Jim was at the Garden of Eden.
a ready mentioned that even
as a teenager, well, I was an avid reader.
And back in the late 40s, early 50s I read all
of the normal classical young peoples' books,
Black Beauty, the Hardy Boys.
I even read Nancy Drew.
Noory: I love those, they were fun.
Marrs. Yeah, The Tale of Two Cities, Dickens, Mark Twain.
I had already reads all of that.
So I got into fiction.
Back then the term science fiction had not even
That was I think mid 50s or something like that.
But I was reading science fiction.
I was reading Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, Arthur Clarke.
And so guess I've a ways had that concept
that there's life beyond this 3D physical plane.
And so I can't really say when I started believing in UFOs,
a though will add I've never just accepted they're there.
have tried to maintain professional skepticism
throughout my life.
Noory: But there's just too many compelling stories
You can't ignore it
George, after a number of years of talking to pilots,
both military and commercial, air traffic controllers,
astronauts, police officers, and they all tell you these stories.
It gets to be a point where you go
Noory: Enough, it's got to be real.
Marrs: -- enough.
They all can't be lying.
Noory: Exactly, exactly.
What about crop formations?
Have you looked at those?
Marrs Yes, I have, and those are really, really fascinating.
All you've got to do is go look at some
of the crop formations and the grandeur.
Noory: Right, huge.
Marrs: They're awe inspiring.
And although there's been attempts to try to explain them,
for example back in the 80s think there was these two pub
crawlers from England, Doug and Dave,
who came forward and said, oh, well
Noory: We made one.
Marrs: Yeah, we went down and got some board
and sticks and some string.
Noory: A rope.
Marrs: And we made those crops circles.
But here is where the media falls down on the job.
They admitted to making two or three hundred crops circles
in a crop period there during one summer.
And yet the media if they had stopped
and checked they would have found that there was more
than 2,000 that summer not only in England
but in the United States, Canada and Australia, other places.
So the idea that this is just a natural human thing,
plus as I investigated I found out that some
of these crop circles have showed Euclidean geometry
that has really not been invented
or demonstrated by the humans yet.
Where did they get that information?
There are even videotapes available now
that show lights moving, little bobbing around in the field
Noory: And then the formation.
Marrs -- in the crops.
So something is going on there.
I'm not totally willing to say that it's not human,
but I think it is demonstrated that there's something unearthly
about the whole thing.
Noory: As I tell Linda Molten Howe,
our investigative report whom you also know
Noory: -- all it takes is one, one crop formation
and that tells the whole story.
Marrs: Well, I even have people
that have sent me samples of the crop.
And obviously f you go out and take a board and mash
down the corn or whatever it is, wheat, and you mash it all
down to make a circle then the stems are broken, okay?
Noory: That's right.
Marrs: And you've crushed it.
But I have samples of my own.
In a legitimate crop circle the crop seems
to have been subjected to intense heat.
Noory: And it just wilts over, huh?
Marrs: At the nodule levels and it folds over,
and layered with one layer going clockwise
and another layer going counterclockwise
and it's still growing.
It's not broken.
Now that's pretty incredible.
Noory: It's amazing.
Marrs: But people don't get told this
by the corporate media.
Noory: And haven't some scientists looked at that?
Noory: They've looked at the wheat, they've looked at that,
and they say there's something very unusual here.
They say it looks like it's been subjected to a microwave.
And yet there's no microwave out in those fields.
Noory: So what do you think the message is, Jim?
What are they trying to say and why do they talk
in symbolism like that?
Marrs: Well, because if you ran across somebody,
say if I was here and could only speak Greek you probably
don't speak Greek.
Noory: I wouldn't understand you.
Marrs: It's Greek to you.
Noory: It is Greek to me.
Marrs: You would use hand signals and all kinds of symbols
and whatever you can to make yourself understood,
and think that's what's going on here.
And as far as what their message is I think basically they're
te ling us -- in fact there was a very famous crop circle
that had a binary code built into it.
And basically it's saying we're here and we re not enemies.
And there's a lot of deceit going on right now,
but you are moving towards the truth.
And I think just letting the people who are ready
for that message to receive it.
People who aren't can a ways think Doug
and Dave did it with a board.
Noory: And they've done a few of those.
Marrs: Oh, yeah.
There are definitely manmade crop circles.
And some of it's done by people
that just want to pull off a gag.
Some of them I think have been done intentionally just
so they can say, see, that's a funny.
Noory: Right, absolutely.
Marrs: And then a lot
of people then blow the whole thing off
Noory: Well, these messages,
do you think one day we'll decode them?
Is somebody trying to decode them?
Marrs: Oh, there's been a lot of people trying to decode them.
But so far as far as I know I'm not sure we've gotten anything
that could be pointed to as like, okay,
here's how you build a flying saucer.
Noory: Right, something dramatic like.
Marrs: Something very dramatic and technical.
But then you're not going to be able to do something
like that in a crop formation.
Noory: I keep waiting like the movie Contact,
I want to see a p an to build a time machine
or something like that.
Marrs: Course if they sent something
like that do you really think the government's going
to tell us about it?
Noory: Heck no.
Marrs: No, we'll never know.
Noory: Absolutely not.
And, of course
we re interactive here on Beyond Belief.
That means we take your phone calls.
let's take one now.
Noory: Hey, Jim, my name is Dan
and I'd like to know your thoughts
on the shadow government.
Noory: A shadow government.
Marrs: The shadow government.
Noory: a shadow government?
Marrs: Absolutely, absolutely.
They have this p an that they call continuity
of government, okay?
And this is they're building these deep underground shelters,
and it's a place for the President to go
and the Vice President.
Noory: The hierarchy.
Marrs: And the hierarchy, you know.
But these plans are so secret
that they didn't even tell members of Congress
about this for the longest time.
So, see, our elected representatives they don't
Noory: They don't even know.
Marrs: They don't know.
Noory: ' You bring this up to them they think you're nuts.
Now, let me point out, too, that especially when it comes
to foreign policy and foreign wars what you read in the paper
and see on the TV is that) the National Security Council
Well, wait a minute, okay?
Now, who's the National Security Council,
and when did we ever get a chance to vote on that?
Marrs: Well, when you boil it all
down the National Security Council was created in 1947,
in September of 47 at the same time
that they separated the Air Force from the Army,
changed the name of the War Department
to the Defense Department, and created the CIA, okay,
and they created the National Security Council.
This was very, very critical,
and most people don't even know about this.
Well, who is the National Security Council?
It's only four people, the President, the Vice President
and the Secretaries of the Defense and State.
Three of these are appointed by the President.
This is where they changed the constitution
from a representative broad based government
to basically a one man government.
And ever since then they've exerted more and more
and more authority through the executive branch.
Marrs: And that's not what the constitution had in mind.
Noory: They're taking things piece by piece
Marrs: Piece by piece.
Noory: There are some people out there, Jim,
that think that government will disclose the UFO
And I keep telling them, no,
It's not going to happen that way.
We're going to have whistle blowers that may come forward,
but we're not going to have a Presidential news conference
that says, folks, we're being visited, this is happening.
They're holding back.
Marrs For my money disclosure is totally
in the hands of them.
All they got to do is come and appear over some major city
and hang there long enough for the news crews to get
out and take good video.
Noory: And take pictures.
Marrs: And then the game's up.
But until then the people waiting on somebody
in government to tell us whats going
on they've got a long wait
Noory: I don't think there's a secret government program,
but a lot of people believe there is.
Project Serpo where they think
that there's an alien American relationship
where we're sending astronauts to their planet
and they're coming here.
What do you think of that?
Marrs: I have followed that, and I'm not prepared to say
that that can't happen or hasn't happened.
But the evidence for it is pretty thin.
And so I put that
You know, you get it and you study it and you go huh.
And you set it aside.
And you don't just' automatically deny it,
but you don't automatically accept it.
You put it in the huh file, and you wait
to see what further evidence comes n.
Noory: Were we genetically modified by them'?
and more convinced that
Noory: A most like a GMO pool.
Marrs: -- yes we are, yeah
Because you can find gaps and problems in our DNA chain,
and particularly some fused chromosomes
that are just actual y not naturally occurring.
And I think this shows that there's been not only a break
in the theory of evolution, but the fact
that there's also evidence then of outside manipulation.
We're so close to many of the species on this planet,
yet there's some differences, too.
Well, they're trying to say for example that we're
like 90 percent the same as chimpanzees.
Marrs: Okay, but wait a minute, humans have only been
on the earth for what, 200,000 years maybe,
and chimpanzees have been here the same length of time.
But humans we've written plays and concerts
and painted wonderful paintings, gone to the moon,
what have the chimpanzees done?
They're still the same as they were 10,000 years ago.
I think that very fact a one should show somebody
that something has happened to the humans that's different.
Noory: ' I want to ask you a quest on about 9/11
where some people say it was an inside job.
I say people turned their cheek.
They knew something, decided to let it happen,
because looks what's happened o us since then.
But I've got to ask you about building number seven.
A building that went down the same way the Twin Towers went
down yet it wasn't hit by a planet.
It may have had some cross-debris pop over on it,
but buildings, Jim, just don't fall down.
Marrs: No, they don't and never have.
The Windsor Hotel in Madrid, Spain burned out of control
for two whole days, and at the end of it it was a skeletal
with a I the steel girders still standing up there
but it didn't collapse.
The buildings on 9/11 we were told that the fuel fires
from the airplanes started a fire and it melted the steel
and every floor collapsed.
That doesn't even make any sense.
For one thing, JP4 jet fuel is little better than kerosene,
and it doesn't reach temperatures
of much over 1,000 degrees.
The steel had been tested for like 1,400, 1,600 degrees.
And even if it melted some steel on some
of the upper floors then the rest
of the floors should have held it up.
Or, even if the internal gridlock gave way
there were 47 steel girders in the centers
of the World Trade Centers.
And even if this pancaking effect as they ta k about was
to happen and those floors crashed in on each other
and went down, you should have those interior girders sticking
up kind of like the spine on a record player.
Records fall down but...
Noory: They went too.
Marrs: -- spine is still there.
But it went, too.
And it didn't fall over.
Noory: It pancaked down.
Marrs. It disappeared, it disappeared.
In fact, there are so many questions there.
Two 110 story buildings should have left a debris pile
of about 10 stories, and you should have had toilets lying
everywhere because toilets
or big ceramic things they don't burn up
and they don't fall apart.
Metal filing cabinets where were they?
Instead there's only
of rubble and just dust.
Noory: Everything else is pulverized.
Marrs: Dust, yes.
So there are now several thousand engineers
and architects who are members of architects and engineers
for 9/11 Truth that say it can't happen that way.
And you mentioned building seven.
That's the third building that went down,
and it wasn't even hit by an airplane.
Noory: I know that.
It may have had some residue from the falling building
but not enough to knock it down that way.
Marrs’ Well, building six, building five
which is sitting right under the two twin towers they were
heavily damaged but they didn't fall down.
And building seven was 47 stories, steel and glass,
and if you watch that collapse it went right down.
Noory: And don't forget the person
who was leasing those buildings said pull it, pull it.
And then he fibbed about it
because when they finally called him on that and said, well,
why did you say pull it he said a spokesman for him said,
oh well, he was talking about pull the firemen out of there.
Wei, excuse me, the firemen had been pulled out of that building
at ten o'clock that morning.
So, no, he was talking about doing
and then you've seen the tape or you should have of the firemen
and policemen running back, and saying everyone get back,
get back, the building is going to go down.
But I think the best one knows that a reporter
for the British Broadcasting System
Noory: Reporting on it.
Marrs: -- yeah was reporting on it live n New York
and she said Saloman Brothers building,
building seven, has just collapsed.
Noory: And it's behind her.
Marrs: And behind her it's still standing there.
It didn't collapse for another 25 minutes
How do you explain that?
Marrs: Well, I explain it
because obviously somebody had foreknowledge
that building was going to go down.
In fact, I also believe they had foreknowledge
that the Twin Towers were going to collapse.
Because the Mayor was on TV, Guiliam,
that afternoon covered with dust
And he said, he said we were at the temporary emergency center
when somebody ran in and said the buildings are coming down
you've got to evacuate, and we were in the process
of evacuating when the south tower went down
Well, I'd like to know who was it that told him
that the building was coming down
and why didn't they tell those firemen that were in there?
No, there's too many questions that have never been answered.
And then picture this.
The day after Pearl Harbor Congress convened an
investigation to find out what happened.
About a week after the Kennedy Assassination Johnson convened
the Warren Commission to find out what had happened.
Noory: A sham.
Marrs: A sham,
but nevertheless they're going through the motions.
It was two years after 9/11 before Bush was finally
pressured into creating some sort of investigation thanks
to the pressure from the victims' families, okay?
And when he did he initially funded it for $3 million
which is chump change in Washington.
Noory: That's nothing, yeah.
Marrs- And even they said we can't do this for $3 mill on
so he upped it to $13 million.
Now, that sounds like a lot of money to us,
$13 million I'd love that, but let me put that in perspective.
In 2004 when Bush was re-elected,
George W. Bush was re-elected,
according to the Republican National Committee they spent
$60 million, four times that of the 9/11 commission
on his re-election festivities.
Noory: $60 million.
Marrs: On his parties, you know.
Noory: Will we ever get the truth, Jim, to any of this?
Marrs: Well, the truth is there if you want
to take the time and trouble to go study it.
But now if you're expecting somebody from the government
to hold a press conference and get up
and give an official pronouncement and say, okay,
folks here's what happened that ain't going to happen.
There's too many people, too many lives,
too many reputations involved.
So if you want to know the truth about almost anything,
Kennedy assassination, Waco Oklahoma City bombing
the 9/11 you've just got to go study it for yourself
And one of Jim's books, Crossfire, has been updated.
That talks about the JFK assassination.
Jim Marrs our guest on Beyond Belief.
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